Can JKD deal with attacks from behind?

[jkduk]

JKD is designed as a street fighting martial art. However, since original JKD is primarily about striking (and according to Dan Lee they did no grappling at all at the china town school) can original JKD handle attacks from behind, such as chokes? Do the Wenesday Night Group train for these types of situations? Thanks.

[Tim Tackett]

We try to train for everything. Lloyd Kennedy and Bert Poe have helped us a lot with regard to the ground.

[frankiefuller]

the back head butt is always a nice thing to do when someone grabs you from behind or a foot stomp.

[Tim Tackett]

Sometimes you get the bear, but sometimes the bear gets you.

We try to train for everything. Lloyd Kennedy and Bert Poe have helped us a lot with regard to the ground.

The question was about attacks from behind? If am am not mistaken.
What is a typical JKD Wednesdy night response to a attack from the rear?
Did Bruce have a defence from that position ???

[Tim Tackett]

Yes! He did. If you want to learn it, come by and learn it. I don't give techniques over the internet as I find them hard to explain in words alone.

Yes! He did. If you want to learn it, come by and learn it. I don't give techniques over the internet as I find them hard to explain in words alone.

I was led to believe that you had written books on jkd, but now you are unable to discribe a simple techinque in words, that seem either a bit lazy or you are not as knowledgable as some believe t you to be. Which one is it? How long have you been at this again? Your hostility was unwarranted, But mine is in response.

Good Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Geoff]

"can jkd deal with attacks from behind" ?


The way bruce persomal art was ....


Was based on how to use and express the body so that it performs of its own intelligence. WU-WEI.... when it learns too do this it will perform on its own intelligence, the way it knows best....the natural way.


I surpose all animals defend themselves in there unquie way.....so do humans i guess

[Geoff]

ps.... Not many people give there knowledge out for free and I surpose thats one of the "true gifts off a teacher"

maybe mr tackett wants too teach you how to fish for yourself instead off giving you individual techniques or fish (laugh out load) something you cant really put over the internet because its based on perception,off something being done.

anyway hope im on the right track with this as I hope the light at the end of the tunnel is not another train :lol:

I was led to believe that you had written books on jkd, but now you are unable to discribe a simple techinque in words, that seem either a bit lazy or you are not as knowledgable as some believe t you to be. Which one is it? How long have you been at this again? Your hostility was unwarranted, But mine is in response.
Good Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim invites you to his HOME to come and learn the technique for FREE and you insult him? Real classy. It's not about class, it's about candor. Mike, I guess I insulted The master, but what has Tim mastered. Apperantly, very little if he cant explain something simple. He has insulted all of us by assuming that we can not understand a simple technique. I am getting tired of this joe fellow from London, how many times a month do you train with the wednesday night group, it must be pretty expensive flying back and forth every week. I am quite sure that the Famous Sigung Tim Tackett should be able to defend his own self unless, he is not what he appears to be. By the way you should be ashamed of yourself not waying in on the obtuse infants in YOUR art speaking badly about your instructor Dan Inosanto. For someone who claims senior first status, your quite the pacifist. By the way, how often do you train with Mr. Inosanto, nowadays? You probaly don't even have any contact with him anyway. To be perfectly honest with all of you, since Tim will probaly blacklist my log on after this, I don't believe that any of these people in the wednesday night group or 99% of people on the internet know what the hell they are talking about let alone teach what they think they know. I believe Guro Dan would be ashamed of Tim and this whole group. if you want real JKD try Ted Wong.

once again Good Day.

[Tim Tackett]

The reason that I don't give out the info on the internet is that some techniques are too difficult to explain and can be dangerous if done incorrectly. If you want to see if I know JKD or not, make the trip to Redlands and see for yourself. I'll even pay for the gas.
Tim Tackett

[Tim Tackett]

Dan was my main JKD teacher and I honor him as such. I no longer train with him as we've taken different paths. I have defended him on other forums and on this one, but to be honest I don't really don't know what to say about the videos in questions. Since Dan selected me to teach at all the summer camps in the 80's. I guess he feels that I know what I'm taking about.

[frankiefuller]

Style Assassin, I think you may be misled about JKD. Tim really knows what he's talking about. I've worked with Brent (one of Tim's instructors) every so often, and it's hard to relate some of what he teaches in just plain words without experiencing it. Sometimes you have to be on the other end of the technique to fully understand it; some movements are just too complex. I've taken martial arts over 19 years and have multiple black belts in traditional systems as well, and I still know that there are some techniques that I can't explain to someone unless they go over them in person. There are actually some techniques way too dangerous to be taught over the Internet and should be proceeded with caution. You should see some of the stuff they teach us in Jiu-Jitsu class. It's so dangerous that even little kids messing around might cause some nasty, permanent damage to ligaments unless they know how to properly treat the partner. It's just hard to explain it in words, and sometimes telling someone how to do a risky technique without understanding it can result in permanent damage. I am serious about this--my sensei has shown us a multiple shoulder break type of sequence where you rip out the rotator cuff and do something else to the shoulder in a few different directions, to the point that you can literally rip someone's arm off. The mechanics are pretty complex of the moves, and sometimes I can't even see a move in my head enough to write it down unless I am actually going through the motions with another partner. If you have taken martial arts long enough, you probably have experienced some of this. Oh my gosh, there are some things I learn in class in 1 SEQUENCE of submitting someone and getting them in a joint lock that have like 5 or 6 different ways of turning someone around that is so hard to put into words unless I'm doing it and know where to place my feet, grab the person's joints, etc. I can't explain all of it fully because some of it your body just feels with the muscle memory, and you can't describe the rest of the technique unless you're already at a certain point in the sequence. If you show it on tape, it's probably a lot better sometimes than just writing it down. Hope this helps to perceive what I mean.

[Geoff]

Just a thought :lol:


BRUCE HAD THE "BALLS" TO SAY "BALLS" TOO THE PAST AND MOVE ON.


Next question anyone??????????

[Tim Tackett]

There's also the problem of countering his counter, etc. While JKD is simple some of the grappling moves are complex enough that you need a teacher to get it right. I'm still in the process of learning and I'm the master of nothing.

[cfr]

It's not about class, it's about candor. Mike, I guess I insulted The master, but what has Tim mastered. Apperantly, very little if he cant explain something simple. He has insulted all of us by assuming that we can not understand a simple technique. I am getting tired of this joe fellow from London, how many times a month do you train with the wednesday night group, it must be pretty expensive flying back and forth every week. I am quite sure that the Famous Sigung Tim Tackett should be able to defend his own self unless, he is not what he appears to be. By the way you should be ashamed of yourself not waying in on the obtuse infants in YOUR art speaking badly about your instructor Dan Inosanto. For someone who claims senior first status, your quite the pacifist. By the way, how often do you train with Mr. Inosanto, nowadays? You probaly don't even have any contact with him anyway. To be perfectly honest with all of you, since Tim will probaly blacklist my log on after this, I don't believe that any of these people in the wednesday night group or 99% of people on the internet know what the hell they are talking about let alone teach what they think they know. I believe Guro Dan would be ashamed of Tim and this whole group. if you want real JKD try Ted Wong.

once again Good Day.

Hey Style Boy, have you read other forums where they try to explain techs online? Its always a mess. Its always a simple answer... then just one more question. Im with the others, you have an invite to someones home, with gas paid. Why wouldnt you go? Why would you insult someone like this? Also, why the "master" remarks? I dont train with Mr. Tackett but someone from his lineage. I call him by his first name and refer to him as my training partner. Im guessing its pretty close to the same for Mr Tackett. I doubt he wants to be refered too as "master". Could be wrong though as Ive never met him. Also, if something this simple is going to get your panties into this much of a twist, perhaps you need to pay someone huge amounts of cash who will answer your questions on demand. Not come around people who are willing to give of themselves freely, will train hard with you, and want nothing in return other than someone to train with. There are plenty of folks out there who will answer all your online questions, plus promote you to oarnge belt with only a day of training, for the right price.

Normally I dont get involved with these tiffs online as I beleive that the best defense is to let others think whatever they want. But I only have 2 days left at my current job and am really, really bored. 8)

[Tim Tackett]

I'm no master of anything. It's just plain Tim.

[zippy]

Stylethingy, in Tims books they have a revolutionary process which helps with the descriptions, it is known as PICTURES and PHOTOGRAPHS. Now this may be quite new to you, but the reason these are used is because words alone would not give you the technique, in fact even with the new technology of PHOTOGRAPHS it still does not give the feel or linkage of the technique.
Tim is Tim he has never proclaimed himself a master just someone who continues to learn knowledge, which you can either take in or leave alone your choice. The guy has done the decent thing and offered to show you, what more can he do.
By the way what is a Master?

[J.C. Shannon]

yes, Jeet Kune Do deal with attacks from behind.. these are visible in the Bruce Lee self-defense series, his movies, and in the video of techniques by Richard Bustillo and Ted Wong...