lead punch

[mystery]

hi guys.

i wonder about the right mechanics of the lead punch. im experimenting with different ways of delivering but i havent found the right way yet.
so do you step a little bit forward while hitting or do you deliver from a solid stance (talking about punching range)? i.e. ist it like pushing form the rear foot forward to have the body weight behind the punch oder better to create the power only from the waist? weight shifting on the front foot or 50:50? is it hand move first and only at the end a turning in of the waist oder do you create the speed from the waist and then moving the arm forward?

another question is the pulling back of the fist. short arc or the direct way back?

probably very difficult to describe and more difficult to learn properly but since it is the knockout punch im pretty much behind it.

m.

[Tim Tackett]

Alot of it depends on distance.
The lead snappy punch trys to hit with a 1 to2 inch penetration. You hit him on the end of the punch. The punch comes straight back. The one that curves on the way back we call fong. Bruce told Bremer that that's the sound it made when he (Bruce) hit someone in the head with it. You can do the straight lead punch while stepping back with your rear foot; stationary by twisting your rear heel while you shift your weight to your front leg; angle rt or lt; with a lead step; or with a push step. Which one you do depends on distance.

[Valpolicella]

I try to start the punch before I launch off my rear foot so the punch is less telegraphic. You've probably noticed that alot of people move forward (sway) in the shoulder area when they're going to close on you and they are going to throw a hand strike such as a straight lead.
It's also good by the way, to keep your hands moving around so it's not as easy for your opponent to see a strike being launched as there is no sudden movement to react to. Just as if you were about to fight somebody in a real situation you probably would'nt just stand in front of them and let them strike you. You would use foot work and move around. It's hard to hit amoving target AND you can use your momentum to propell yourself in to strike.

[Tim Tackett]

It's hand first when you're moving forward with either a lead step or push step. When done without moving forward as when you intercept, the rear foot twist starts the punch.

[Valpolicella]

Thanks I had never heard that before . I'll start working with that!

[Equis]

Sounds similar to what Tim Tackett explained what we do in Krav Maga it all depends on the situation. In KM we step forward left jab punch (in a fight stance where our left foot is at front) then follow up with a right straight punch while twisting our right foot. Then after that you can follow up with an elbow upper cut or body blow. I found in my experience and my instrucotrs tell me, that if I stand around punching it is easy for the opponent to just simply push me off balance. After a lead punch we try to move to the side known as the zombie zone or dead side where the opponent has no defense and has to move to face you. This can also be done with the right hand straight punch step forwad while punching (but not before you have both feet on the floor) and twist the right foot. Tremendous power can be made from the hips. Then we snap our hands back to the guard position or keep on striking while moving. We try to lead a punch with out telegraphing what we are about to do, an explosion. So as when the punch begins we are already in motion with no suggestion we are getting ready to move.

[Arron Grammond]

It's hand first when you're moving forward with either a lead step or push step. When done without moving forward as when you intercept, the rear foot twist starts the punch.

Its two different punching methods really isn't it? The older JFJKD variation of the Wing Chung punch (body forward on a 1-inch punch mechanic all forward motion) and the JKD boxing punch using the body twist. (Switching the side with the heal up. and hips rotating as you PUSH through with the lead leg)

Both of these start from the JKD ready stance with the rear heal up a little off the floor and power side leading, both are hitting with the lead power hand and rear hand in as a guard.

I think thats what is being discused isn't it?

[Timberland]

Joe,

Can you show us a video of yourself doing the punch you just mentioned?

[Geoff]

when trying to hold form in the out come of fighting its a hard thing to do...to say no passive moves or a slight move forward or bac or to the side...well!! one does have to keep good form,so not to get hit.
I surpose when sparring its different from using different pieces of equipment...like the dummy or the heavy bag....both pieces of equipment need to be worked so you try and not give early signals off!
In every single sport like tennis.baseball.squash.snooker. at the highest level they miss shots or they didnt get that right feel.
In golf the person might miss a shot because he or she didnt feel the right energy lines because of either lack of awarness etc.
A baseball player in practice might get 4 good shots down in practice.......after batting 10 feeds? its not because his not a good player.
if i knew everything down to a tee then i would be unbeatable in tennis and i wouldnt miss any shots and win every game.